Thoughts on Coronavirus/Covid19


#61

If it’s natural (which it almost certainly is) AND if it just happened to somehow jump to humans in, of all places on the Earth, within miles of a shoddy viral/bio research facility with no connection, that would be a wacky coincidence. Wacky coincidences happen, but William of Occam doesn’t like them very much :smiley: But none of that maters much to me; it’s here and it must be dealt with.


#62

Seems that the CIA doesn’t agree with you guys. But indeed let’s not discuss politics over here. Leads to no good as we see every time.

But don’t worry the public’s minds are eased. Few days earlier:


#63

Again.
I don’t find CIA or Trump as truth source.
Just as Chinese government.
Same type of information: politically biased from one party.
It seems there are proofs or natural evolution due to DNA structure.
There are evidence that a laboratory in Wuhan was working with virus since years.
I am afraid it will be difficult to discover the truth.
I am sure that virus spillover from animals to man is a general issue. Something we need to study and check.
As Bill Gates told us in 2015 we need to prepare forces against pandemic risks.
This is not the first, maybe it won’t be the last.


#64

I’m not saying it’s not a possibility.
I’m saying there is no evidence - and so are the CIA according to that article.
They also say don’t draw conclusions prematurely.
They are investigating a possibility, just as law enforcement do thousands of times a day for murders, thefts, etc.
In the UK in 2018 52% of reported crimes had a suspect, only 17.3% of them went on to charge a suspect.
So that means a lot of investigations, expecting the worst of people, are in fact, unfounded.
(source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44884113)


#65

I’m actually pretty impressed that it’s only 30% that believe it was created in a lab.
I think this yearning for human causality is strongly related to anthropomorphism:


#66

Occam says slipshod practices at nearby level 4 lab is likely source.


#67

Murphy says: s*** happens - especially if you cram people and bats together…

Unless you really desperately need someone to blame…


#68

:smiley: Seriously, no point in speculating.


#69

I adore HAL9000


#70

Isn’t that the way Batman was conceived?


#71

:face_with_hand_over_mouth::bat:


#72

I think this topic can be closed, everybody said their opinion and now let’s get back to what really matters :stuck_out_tongue::kissing_heart:


#73

Hi All,

In light of the barrage of competing information regarding the virus I contribute this lighter look which was passed to me …

Official Coronavirus Guidelines:

  1. Basically, you can’t leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

  2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

  3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.

  4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.

  5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.

  6. Gloves won’t help, but they can still help.

  7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it’s important to GO OUT.

  8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.

  9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.

  10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

  11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my…

  12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it’s better not to go out, well, but no…

  13. It’s better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don’t go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).

  14. You can’t go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.

  15. If you are sick, you can’t go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.

  16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn’t wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?

  17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with “I don’t want to trigger panic, but…”

  18. You can’t see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.

  19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don’t live under the same roof.

  20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.

  21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn’t say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.

  22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.

  23. We count the number of deaths but we don’t know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were “almost dead” to find out if that’s what they will die of…

  24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).

  25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

:confounded: :roll_eyes::grin:

Dave


#74

I’d heard a few of them, but not that many! It does seem to be getting very contradictory now!


#75

That’s the same here in Belgium Dave. People are getting fed up.
And you know the funniest thing of all? All curve in the different countries are kinda similar even when the lockdown is different applied.
Countries that have the least of hygiene have low death rate. Or is their administration corrupt?
What i can say, in Belgium there’s a debate because they count even normal deaths in the retirement homes.

What i just don’t get, normally it’s economics first and a few million people don’t matter. Collateral damage.
Now it’s the opposite. For a few ten thousand they closed the whole world economy and talk about repeating this for the next months, years and who knows how long.


#76

Oh and don’t forget Dave, if you don’t follow these rules you can get serious fines!


#77

The tests will make sterile. :tired_face: or ? :wine_glass: :+1: :tada:


#78

I’ve got to say, I’m not a fan of our Australian government but I’ll give credit where due… the message to distance and stay home was effectively delivered, Australian’s mostly complied and it’s paid off. Our curve has really flattened - now less than 50 new cases per day (for most days for the last week). Our hospitals have coped and we’ve had very few deaths compared to other countries.

I feel extremely lucky to live where I do. They call Australia the lucky country but I think this time we made our own luck. I just hope we don’t get complacent and things regress.

Distancing and staying home works. I know it’s frustrating and people are getting fed up but it’s our only real defense right now. It might also be the best option economically - it seems that delays in introducing measures add even longer delays on the far side of the curve before things can open up again.

Brad


#79

Exactly the same feelings where I live in Canada.
Keep positive! Better times ahead of us.


#80

Hey @Dave_C

I’ve been watching the numbers for Canada and early on things were very similar to Australia but you guys seem to be getting hit a harder than we are now. Not sure why that is.

Brad