Thoughts on Coronavirus/Covid19

Besides questionable ethical behaviour one of the big problems with Facebook is you don’t really have control over your own content. If you can, think about posting stuff to your own site (ie: a site to which you own the top-level domain) and then posting links to Facebook. The search engines will like you better too.

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Wish you all the best. I’ve tried to turn people onto Cantabile as a live host, it’s such a great application.

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Hey guys,
I know it’s bad, but it even got worse for me, i lost 2 Facebook accounts in the middle of quarantine :disappointed_relieved::thinking::stuck_out_tongue:
Just because of some light erotic joke i posted 2 years ago. 2 accounts closed at the same time.

Might not seem serious, but hey I’m doing lots of business on Facebook.

Sorry for the change of topic here :wink:
But really, Murphy’s law or big brother at their best?

Anyway, lucky we haven’t lost any family or sick. Just had the news today in our town a whole family dead from corona. Older parents and son. :cold_sweat:
It’s shocking!

Anyways, Corky, Thx for being that honest with us. And i can reflect. Last years i also went through the worste time of my life, an enormous burnout and depression due to loss of work. The up side, i got to do more of my music. Last years i was almost all days playing music. It doesn’t earn much but it’s kinda a dream come through.
Needless to say, I’m a graphic designer, so jobs at age 45 are difficult. Now due to Corona it’s all gone. March and April were going to be the busiest months of my life in musical terms and this year was kinda fully booked also. Planning for months now.
All poofff gone in few days.

We’re lucky to be alive and this time gives perspectives also. Still I’m holding my heart for the future.

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Oh do not get me going on Facebook, what a crock. Sorry to hear that.

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Thx Brad and Fred, is it ok if i take this to another topic, i want to go further on this Facebook thing

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Hm seems that we won’t get much live music this year. All big festivals are cancelled just until after summer. I hope some small concerts will be possible.
Slowly i start to understand the nature of this virus. I just saw an incredible docu in YouTube (already banned on Facebook) wich explains allot about China and the virus. And why Trump is abandoning WHO. More news articles are getting up that it’s created in a lab. Seems all possible.

There are also many sources giving good reasons to think it is a natural migration to humans from other spieces.
Surely we need to know more about that.
Trump opinions are not for me good scientific sources.
Videos on social networks can report earth is flat.

I might know a guy, and that guy might have a brother who specializes in hermetic welding, and he might have helped built a hermetically sealed building in, uh… oh yeah, Wuhan :open_mouth: Probably nothing though. And can’t prove none of it, maybe he talks out his ass :smiley: :smiley:

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Please don’t talk about me in public!!

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Here’s the original research published in Nature:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

And of additional note is the reluctant admission from the US military that they believe it originated naturally. They would sorely love to point the finger at China.

There is simply no real evidence that it’s man-made, but there is good scientific evidence that it is naturally evolved.

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Indeed, research like this one https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0230802 tend to show they are even more corona virus naturally found in bats :frowning:

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It doesn’t have to be man made to have been a man-caused accident. There’s now mounting evidence that it comes from that research facility in Wuhan and that said facility was woefully insufficient in its procedures; it seems that they were cited YEARS ago and that something like this was almost inevitable. It doesn’t have to have happened maliciously to have the same outcome. Chances are it will come out that this was a tragic accident, but one that could have been prevented and there may have to come a time for some accountability. Of course, at the moment it’s all speculation. We’ll see. We may never really know and of course, knowing won’t change the outcome.

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How strong is the evidence that it emerged from the research facility?

Remains to be seen. It’s an ongoing situation.

For anyone interested the Ep 768 of Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast has a good explanation about the evidence for the natural evolution of this virus. In fact that entire episode is worth your time - especially the first 40 minutes for coronavirus related discussion.

As for the US, Trump, Republicans and the WHO, I’m reluctant to post political stuff, but this is article provides some good historical background. Which leads into globalism for which I’d recommend Steven Pinker’s book Enlightenment Now which makes strong case for how it helps prevent wars and international conflicts.

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If it’s natural (which it almost certainly is) AND if it just happened to somehow jump to humans in, of all places on the Earth, within miles of a shoddy viral/bio research facility with no connection, that would be a wacky coincidence. Wacky coincidences happen, but William of Occam doesn’t like them very much :smiley: But none of that maters much to me; it’s here and it must be dealt with.

Seems that the CIA doesn’t agree with you guys. But indeed let’s not discuss politics over here. Leads to no good as we see every time.

But don’t worry the public’s minds are eased. Few days earlier:

Again.
I don’t find CIA or Trump as truth source.
Just as Chinese government.
Same type of information: politically biased from one party.
It seems there are proofs or natural evolution due to DNA structure.
There are evidence that a laboratory in Wuhan was working with virus since years.
I am afraid it will be difficult to discover the truth.
I am sure that virus spillover from animals to man is a general issue. Something we need to study and check.
As Bill Gates told us in 2015 we need to prepare forces against pandemic risks.
This is not the first, maybe it won’t be the last.

I’m not saying it’s not a possibility.
I’m saying there is no evidence - and so are the CIA according to that article.
They also say don’t draw conclusions prematurely.
They are investigating a possibility, just as law enforcement do thousands of times a day for murders, thefts, etc.
In the UK in 2018 52% of reported crimes had a suspect, only 17.3% of them went on to charge a suspect.
So that means a lot of investigations, expecting the worst of people, are in fact, unfounded.
(source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44884113)

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