I use the brake a lot, especially when soloing. Other than Leslie bindings, the brake switching has always been a 1st choice part of my bindings. There are several comments in this thread about brake bindings from a few years ago, so this is not a new subject. Glad you are learning though Here are a few of the posts:
Hi Torsten
It doesn’t seem to work: on the bindings, under the Action column, I see that you have transcribed Controllers and immediately after there is the value 127, but in the drop-down menu I don’t see it written as you indicate it. I also tried with CC but it doesn’t work anyway. Why? I should have followed all the instructions.
Sergio
Hey Sergio,
if you are asking for help and posting screenshots here, it would be helpful if you set your Cantabile language to English - difficult to decipher the Italian in your screenshot…
Still, your binding seems OK (I assume the Event means “Controller (no edge button)”, right? The Action is correctly set to CC93, val 127, so that should be good. It just seems that the Italian translation of Cantabile has “CC” in the dropdown menu instead of “Controller” as the English version does. Again, I’d recommend to set your Cantabile to English, given that you communicate with the forum a lot. Far easier if everybody sees the same thing on their screens…
Have you tried clicking the “play” button (triangle on the left side of the binding) - this should cause the leslie to stop right away.
Now on the other dialog where you are setting the on-screen button: be aware that these on-screen buttons don’t send to “Main Keyboard” - they always send to “Onscreen Keyboard”. This means that you’ll have to also create a route from “Onscreen Keyboard” to your B3-X MIDI In.
Alternatively, you could also create a binding in the background rack that automatically re-routes all output from the onscreen keyboard so that it looks as if it came from the Main Keyboard:
That way, you don’t need to create extra routes from Onscreen Keyboard in every song. To do this, you’ll have to activate these two checkboxes in Cantabile’s settings:
Cheers,
Torsten
I’m sorry Torsten, to view Cantabile in English is it sufficient to delete the .JSON file?
So I get in line with you, then, calmly, I will restore my Italian …
Sergii
Sergio,
Just rename strings-it.json to something like strings-it.jsonX and restart Cantabile. Doing that, you easily switch between Italian and English and vice versa.
Thanks you, Grazie Paolo
Hey Torsten.
I changed the language to Cantabile to English and checked the string which I thought was dubious, but it was spelled well.
I also flagged the two items in Advanced as you suggested.
I also clicked on the triangle at the top left. But the Brake does not work, it is not activated.
I wanted to clarify that I am using the controller buttons: maybe with these buttons the Leslie stop does not work? or did I skip any steps?
Sergio
Hey Sergio,
as I wrote above: when you use the Controller Bar buttons, they send their output to the MIDI port “Onscreen Keyboard”. So you’ll need to route the input from “Onscreen Keyboard” to your organ rack as well, otherwise it will not receive the commands from the buttons.
Forget about the advanced settings for the moment; let’s make sure we get this to work on the basics: Create a new route (in addition to the one from Main Keyboard to B-3X Sergio) from Onscreen Keyboard to B-3X Sergio. Then check if the onscreen button works to stop the Leslie.
If things don’t work, maybe try a MIDI monitor - first on the rack to understand what is being sent to the rack: right-click the rack and select as shown below
Now you can see what happens to the rack when you press the onscreen button. There should be a CC95/127 going into the rack. If not, something is wrong with the routing between your onscreen button and the rack.
Next we go to the organ itself, so go into the rack and create a MIDI Monitor from the organ plugin:
Now you can see what events come into your organ plugin - if the binding works, you should be getting CC93/127 events.
Once we have all this working, we can get to the more complex stuff, including the Background Rack…
I suspect that you are currently biting off a bit more than you can chew - this is pretty advanced stuff. So really take your time and make sure you learn and truly digest all the concepts around this. There will be some experimenting, troubleshooting and debugging involved. But that’s how you learn Cantabile - I’ve been working with Cantabile for more than 6 years now, and I’m still learning every day…
Cheers,
Torsten
Maybe we can comprise all your recent examples into a manual and name it, “Beginning Cantabile…Read This First!”
I actually would have read it 1st when I started in 2016.
I’m getting the feeling I sound like a broken record: “learn the basics, work your way through the videos and the guides, from the simple to the complex, yada yada…”
Bacon.
It’s typical, when newbies arrive…I have seen it happen in many forums. It also happened back in the time when all we had were mailing lists (I was on Paperlate, for instance, the Genesis mailing list, at the beginning of the 90ies…huge flame wars with newbies, pretending to know more than old timers! Not me…I am not for flame wars at all and I am pretty much silent on all the forums I partecipate into).
Anyway, the fact that you have often to restate the obvious (for you) is a good sign for C3, I guess…the users base is getting larger and larger (at least I hope so).
Anyway, all this to say just one last thing: the level of patience that I have seen and experienced by members of this forum…I did not find it anywhere else.
Gabriele
Goodmorning everyone.
I think I exaggerated (as usual …).
I would like to apologize for putting your patience to the test.
I will certainly do one thing !! I will try not to be hasty, so I rewind my tape a few days ago !!
I leave these last experiments alone for the moment and go back to a few days ago when I tried to set up a rack, with all that goes with it.
I am just going to ask you one thing: before setting up the rack speech, at home, I used the keys of the pc, without my Pa 80 (associated with the keyboard in the Cantabile screen) to do my experiments, before verifying them with the Pa 80 .
Now this mode doesn’t work, probably due to experiments with racks (bindings, etc). Maybe I should restore something that I don’t know at the moment, so I ask you to tell me what I can do.
And I promise to disturb you silently, as Gabriele also suggests !!
Best regards
Sergio
Hi to all
I had modified the file for the Italian language * .json by adding an X (* .jsonX). After this modification, Cantabile’s keyboard was no longer associated with any sound when touched by Cantabile’s keyboard keys. I had done this on Torsten’s right suggestion, in order to show jpegs to everyone.
In the meantime I restored the Italian language to see some menu strings in Italian (I wanted to understand the translation) and, MIRACLE, everything was solved !!
I don’t know what happened, although I don’t think it could have been the only “X” …
Boh !! mysteries of science and technology … and of the MIDI rack …
Finally I double-checked what Torsten suggested (CC95 -> CC93), I prepared the two paths MainKeyboard and OnScreenKeyboard and I visualized the midi monitors, but the values CC95 / 127 and CC 93/127 do not appear: I deduce that without these values the brake just can’t work.
Greetings to all patients of mind …
Sergio
Excuse me again !!
I think everything is OK !!
Torsten, in particular (because I owe it to him !!).
I ran the sequence of your data again, canceling all the previous one. Everything works, even with the screen keyboard.
I have created 3 controller buttons.
Once the buttons were created, I copied and pasted the same Rack to have both Upper and Lower (midi1 / 2 and 1/2 channels) distinct, but on the same display. This copy was used to divide the two sections and play with different Drawbars and different Transpose.
It is very likely in the first Rack draft I did something wrong.
By nature I am very stubborn, even if a bit hasty …
But it is difficult for me to give up !!
I am attaching a jpg where you can see the result.
Thanks.
Sergio
In defense of the newbies, it’s quite possible that despite Brad’s excellent videos, sometimes things just don’t click right away. People learn at different speeds and in different ways. They come from different backgrounds and have different experience levels when it comes to midi and music software. With all the different things that Cantabile can do and all the things it will do, it can be intimidating for newer users. For those who know Cantabile really well, passing along their knowledge can be a life saver for those who are new, and allow them to get a better understanding of the way forward.
Think back to when you were new to this. If you have been at it for years, whether as a musician, or as someone who works around computers all day, things for you come easier because you have a knowledge base which makes the transition to Cantabile much easier.
Personally, I was one of those people who did not have that knowledge base, and had to play catch up. At the time, it was pretty much Mainstage, which meant a shift to a MacBook and having to learn a new operating system before even delving into music software. Then I found Cantabile.
Let’s face it…we all have busy lives and responsibilities, and the amount of time in a day that can be dedicated to learning Cantabile varies greatly among users. For those who have knowledge, passing that along to other users, makes the user base even stronger and larger. If one were to tackle midi and music software on their own, there is a lot of conflicting info that it should be done this way, or that. The users on this forum are indeed extremely helpful. I have been on forums where if I could throat punch the responder, I surely would. Being helpful to other users, can give them that little nudge that helps it all click.
No doubt, users are responsible to gain knowledge on their own, and part of that can be in the form of asking questions of more knowledgeable users. It was in mine. People are wired in different ways. They learn at different speeds, and if you don’t have the knowledge to start with, you gain it where you can…articles, knowledge bases, forums, etc. As most users seem to know, a lot of people on other forums are not so nice when a newbie asks questions. They are scorned and put down for asking what the more experienced users deem as questions the user should already know. Isn’t that part of what forums are for?
I remember my Dad always telling me, “you have to learn to walk before you can run”. There is certainly a great deal of truth to that. It’s not hard to understand why users would want to learn Cantabile. It is one of the most flexible and powerful piece of music software out there, and it gets better every day. It’s flexibility is one of its best attributes. It can handle so very much or just do the basics. I can understand that some users may be shooting for the stars, because they see other users creating racks and incredibly complicated structures, and think, that’s what I have to do. I know, because I was one of those. As I migrated through Cantabile, I have had a lot of help along the way. I realized I was overshooting the runway and making things more complicated than need be. Once I came to understand that, the way forward came into focus. Instead of trying to build a large skyscraper, I opted for the 2 story home, because that was all I needed.
Everyone should watch Brad’s videos. They are informative and can be extremely helpful. If they haven’t watched them, then that would be the obvious first step. If however they have watched them, but still need some help, then this forum can help users of all levels achieve what they are trying to do, thereby making it an even safer space for everyone.
Hey Steve !!! you are not a musician … you are a wonderful lawyer … you didn’t tell us anything …
I have to thank you who are helping me to use C3.
It is a very powerful program and everything you learn spurs you to check the next thing !!
So thanks to you more experts who give us a good help.
Axiom 61 should arrive next Tuesday or Wednesday. With this controller I will test what I have learned so far !!!
Cheers
Sergio
Maybe I was different from others. I joined the forum shortly after C3 began. I went through all the info that was available. I found the forum very useful and sifted through most of the existing threads. In time, the search engine became my friend. After 4 months of experimenting and reading, I awkwardly asked my 1st question. I always go to the manual, and threads before asking questions.
There is nothing wrong with helping newbies, but when our onsite gurus have to explain the the same process repeatedly to the same person, it becomes frustrating. They spend a lot of time on visuals and explanations, and since this is worldly forum, the language barrier becomes a problem at times, especially when discussing technology.
As a former newbie, I understand it is hard in the beginning for the process to sink into one’s brain. This is why I requested sometime ago an onsite Newbie page. If a new member joins, they should be directed to that page 1st. At the present time, @brad’s excellent videos and manual seem to be passed over frequently, before hitting the forum. I doubt that can be done, but it was a suggestion.
@terrybritton was coaxed by me to provide videos on the process of Cantabile, and he made some very excellent streaming participation videos. They are on his YouTube channel. I have directed several people to his channel. Unfortunately, the very beginning basics of Cantabile were not touched, because @brad’s videos cover that.
The members here are so helpful and kind to anyone with a question. I wouldn’t wish to change that. I would only hope the new ones will respect that, and return the favor when the same question is asked in the future.
Cheers
Corky
i don’t get a chance to go to all the topics all the time, so I try to read what I can. I did not mean that people who have the knowledge should continually explain the same thing over and over again. This is an extremely long topic with many comments, and I did not scroll up to see what had been done or conveyed previously. It was certainly not meant to throw gasoline on the fire.