Thrak
February 14, 2025, 8:08am
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I am very pleased to have my nearly 150 Superior Drummer 3 drumsets loaded into Cantabile Performer as songs now. It works quite well and is much better than using Cantabile programs/presets for them, and I can have certain commonly used drumsets preloaded and switch between them with no delay.
I do have a few questions:
When first starting Cantabile it takes maybe 30 seconds and says it is loading my eight preloaded songs, which makes sense, but after this they do not then load quickly the first time they are used. They only load quickly after they have each been loaded once. In other words, the pre-loading only seems to work the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time each song is switched to and not the 1st time. I would expect them to load immediately the first time each preloaded song is selected as well as every subsequent time.
Clicking “Exclude from Preload” often doesn’t stick and has to be reselected many times before it stays checked for a song.
The song program numbering in a setlist runs out at 128, and then restarts with a 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 numbering pattern.
Sometimes the arrow keys on my windows laptop keyboard will navigate the list of songs, and sometimes not. I can’t find a reason why. I do have the SD3 window docked.
Is there any way to hide the top plugin bar under the menu bar? The one with the left and right arrow triangles and the “1: Plugin Snapshot 1” dropdown menu. I no longer need this since I only ever have one of these per song
Thanks very much for the help. This is absolutely the best way to host Superior Drummer 3 for edrumming!
Thrak
February 28, 2025, 7:30am
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^ Anyone have thoughts on this? Heh, I think I asked too many questions.
I think largest problem is that songs are not preloaded in memory it seems until after they are loaded by me for the first time.
Thrak:
When first starting Cantabile it takes maybe 30 seconds and says it is loading my eight preloaded songs, which makes sense, but after this they do not then load quickly the first time they are used. They only load quickly after they have each been loaded once. In other words, the pre-loading only seems to work the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time each song is switched to and not the 1st time. I would expect them to load immediately the first time each preloaded song is selected as well as every subsequent time.
The only thing I don’t see is if you are using a linked rack for the drum machine plugin. Are you?
This is relatively new so @brad would have to chime in on it.
Thrak:
The song program numbering in a setlist runs out at 128, and then restarts with a 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 numbering pattern.
What is the question?
This is likely because Cantabile is not in focus so try clicking anywhere on the Cantabile app screen and the keyboard should respond.
No there is no way to collapse or hide that. @brad would have to determine if it was something to add
Dave
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brad
February 28, 2025, 9:01pm
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The best way to diagnose this is to turn on the Tools → Options → Diagnostics → Console Logger and see what’s happening during those delays. Or, send me a copy of the log file with a note on where the unexpected delay is and I can take a look.
Thrak:
Clicking “Exclude from Preload” often doesn’t stick and has to be reselected many times before it stays checked for a song.
I’ve not had any other reports of this - are you definitely saving the set list?
Thrak:
The song program numbering in a setlist runs out at 128, and then restarts with a 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 numbering pattern.
This is using the MIDI program number format as set in Tools → Options → General → Formatting → Program Banks. The 1.2 format is saying bank 1 program 2.
Thrak:
Sometimes the arrow keys on my windows laptop keyboard will navigate the list of songs, and sometimes not. I can’t find a reason why. I do have the SD3 window docked.
What build are you running and is this a focus issue as suggested above?
Not at the moment. I think this is the first time this has been asked for - anyone else want this?
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Thrak
March 18, 2025, 2:29am
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Brad thank you for responding! I made a short video to demonstrate where the preloaded song loads again when first chosen, the “exclude from preload” selection doesn’t persist, and the arrow keys sometimes don’t work in the set list grid.
And below is a log where I switch between the not preloaded and preloaded songs - I snipped out repetitive lines to save space.
PS - The backgound rack has a “Show GUI Editor” binding on song load, and I’m also all set now on the program numbers - thanks again!
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brad
March 18, 2025, 11:36pm
7
Hi @Thrak
Thanks for the detailed video.
I think there’s a couple of different issues here with the pre-load.
The main problem with the samples not being loaded is because It seems that the plugin doesn’t load samples when the plugin itself is loaded and rather delays until the plugin is started. Cantabile doesn’t start plugins until the song is activated - so even though the plugin is loaded, because it hasn’t been started, the plugin hasn’t loaded the samples yet.
There’s not much I can do about that - I don’t think it should be starting and then immediately stopping every preloaded plugin. Perhaps this is a question for the plugin developer, or perhaps there’s an option in the plugin not to delay loading samples.
As for the issue with the checkmark on the menu - I can see the issue here.
As for the arrow key navigation issue I couldn’t reproduce this here, but wondering if it’s related to the plugin being docked. Could I get you to undock the plugin and let me know if the same issue still happens.
Thrak
March 20, 2025, 6:39pm
8
Thanks Brad, I’ll ask Tontrack about how they load presets on their forums - I find them pretty repsponsive.Some of these drumsets are 16GB of samples, so having them loaded and started makes sense before they are ever selected to play, and perhaps I can do with a binding.
The arrow key navigation in the set list grid doesn’t seem to be dependent on the plugin window being docked. But if the song is excluded from preload and the plugin tab is then selected and set list grid turned on there is no arrow key navigation it seems. Perhaps the plugin is taking the focus on start.
brad
March 20, 2025, 10:07pm
9
I’ve tried a bunch of different combinations and can’t reproduce any issues here. Do you know if this is specific to Superior Drummer being loaded and visible (either docked or in popup) or does the same thing happen with other plugins too?
Brad
Thrak
March 24, 2025, 4:32am
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This also happens with other plugins, and I think I have it narrowed down. If the focus is in Cantabile, say I click on a song in the side panel or an item in the bindings tab, then the arrow keys work in the set list grid. But if I last clicked on something in a plugin, say a mixer channel in SD3 or a knob in Room 041, then the arrow keys do not work in the set list grid, the focus is still in the plugin even though the set list grid is pulled up, and the arrow keys key strokes are being delivered to the plugin. It appears maybe that the focus needs to be set on the currently selected song in the set list grid when that window is shown.
Thrak
March 24, 2025, 6:25pm
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Also, I posted on the Superior Drummer 3 forums and people answered that Superior Drummer 3 does preload for them completely and automatically in Cubase, Studio One, and I think Logic.
I use Superior Drummer just for practicing drums or recording. I use one song with a bunch of kits and switch through them using song states. The song takes a bit to open but once it has the song state changes are pretty much instant. Laptop is 10 years old Lenovo X230 with 16dGB RAM and 2TB Samsung SSD
