Hi all,
curious problem with my set up, C3 is super stable live but i have a reoccurring problem once maybe twice a gig where the notes/chords i am playing suddenly stick on, before i realise it ive hit a few more notes and they stick further with a resulting din. I have bound a panic button on my Nanokontrol to stop and restart the audio engine which sometimes works but sometimes doesnt with me having to close C3 down and restart during the song !!!
I thought it might be my sustain pedal which i use a lot so i changed that with no improvement. I have a nagging feeling that its not C3 but my Nektar Panorama P6, i really like the P6 but ive not been impressed with the integration of the P6 to C3, i.e, just binding a simple volume control to one of the controls on the P6 gives a very jerky response and generally hasnt given me a lot of confidence to the extent i use my Nanokontrol for all my transport controls.
I really think that the P6 is causing my stuck notes as my other keyboard on my rig (a M-Audio Axiom Pro) is super responsive to C3 and binds anything perfectly on any of the transport controls etc.
Has anybody had any issues using the Nektar Panorama with C3?, seriously thinking of ditching the P6 for another Axiom Pro as i really like it.
I doubt the following is of any use but…
I had some sticking notes when I loaded an old song the other day. I used the MIDI monitor to look at the offending VST. It turned out that there were multiple routes sending exactly the same input to that VST.
Hi Neil, thanks for the reply, was giving up hope of anyone offering any leads. Thats a good shout actually, now you mention that i did have some issues where i had multiple bindings from previous midi controllers i had used. Can you tell me how do you actually use the midi monitor and where is it located ?,
click on the midi device or route you want to monitor, then go to View>Midi Monitor. It will not work when greyed out because it can’t find a midi source to monitor.
The MIDI monitor is definitely the best thing for diagnosis, as long as you can recreate the stuck note problem without too much trouble. If you have two routes being merged, you should see doubled-up MIDI messages. Otherwise, it could be something like a faulty MIDI cable, or a dodgy USB connector, occasionally glitching.
What you describe, where you can add more notes that also hang, does sound like a sustain pedal controller problem though. Could it be that your controller is sending CC64 on multiple channels, and they’re being merged into a single channel in Cantabile, or something like that, so you’re potentially getting incorrectly interleaved duplicate sustain on/off messages? I think the MIDI monitor will reveal the problem, and I bet it’s sustain-related.
Speaking of the MIDI monitor, I’ve always thought it would be nice to have it on the right-click menu when clicking on an item to monitor, as it’s a very contextual command, instead of having to select it and then go up to the menu. Thoughts?
Thanks for the help guys will give that a go, at home this issue never happens, seems to be in the cut and thrust of a gig when I’m playing a lot of chords and using the sustain pedal almost continually , will be very difficult to carry out any checks at that point though as I’m just trying to get it to stop and restart it on stage lol. Obviously the sustain pedal is connected straight to the Nektar so that’s why I’m so suspicious of it. Will see if I can find any duplicate bindings etc that may be the cause but I’m getting very nervous at gigs now wondering when it’s going to happen next ️
I have a similar problem, but I figured out that it’s because while I’m holding down some notes, I am changing (by using Cantabile’s note-to-state changing facility) the VST State (which causes a change another MIDI channel), so that the MIDI-off signals are now in the wrong MIDI channel to stop the notes.
If this isn’t the right solution - maybe it will inspire looking in the right area.
If it helps at all, I also use Nektar Panorama P6 with C3, along with a full-size Yamaha S90. The Yamaha is just used to play notes (send MIDI), while the P6 is used as a second keyboard, and for all the control functions. Like you, the sustain pedal is connected to the P6, and the P6 sliders are mapped to C3 rack volumes. The P6 Next and Previous buttons routed in C3 to move through Songs or States. It works flawlessly for me – never any stuck notes and the controls aren’t jerky at all.
That doesn’t rule out the P6, but it would seem to indicate the problem isn’t due to the P6 integration.
Thanks for the replies Richard and Dan. I’m going to get round to looking at the midi signals and bindings side of my samples and racks in the next couple of weeks and see if I can find anything. Feeling a little bit better about the Nektar, so will keep trying ️
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