Been using Cantabile for 2 years now but hever gigged with it until last night.
I ran Cantabile for a 8 weeks without the wifi on to check everything was stable and up until 2 weeks aho it’s been fine unuil it started freezing.
Had to reboot twice at my gig last night.
I think it may be more to do the plugin licensing rather than Cantabile but not sure.
Has anyone else encountered this?
Got another gig on Saturday so any advice would be gratefully accepted.
Hi @5t4g315gr8,
from my experience, it could have been a hardware problem. Unless you are able to keep everything wired when you move to a gig, you usually have to disconnected the audio interace, the USB cables, USB hub etc. and then reconnect them at the gig. If USB connections are faulty or not stable, this could surely produce a freeze in Cantabile.
Just my 2 cents,
Gabriel
No, and I most definitely do not use an internet connection on gigs. Most of my plugins are node locked in some manner (tied to computer hardware) and seem well behaved if they cannot dial home.
Have you checked winows update settings to ensure updates are only applied on your say so?
Stopped windows updates about 3 weeks ago.
Re Set Lists. Does Cantabile just load the last used Set List, or are all Set Lists in the same folder as the current, loaded in the background as well?
It’s definitely a WiFi issue.
But certainly not created by Cantabile.
I believe I’ve narrowed it down to my Roland Cloud plugins.
I had experienced a similar situation to this before with a PolyMax plugin, which initially only defaulted to iLok cloud authentication, but I was able to overcome that via the iLok dongle.
Prior to that, with the web disabled, the Polymax just didn’t work but everything else in the Set List was stable.
Since buying the Roland Plugins, everything worked perfectly with a web connection but all of Cantabile hangs after about 45 minutes without a web connection.
These Roland Cloud plugins appear to have a certain authentication regime, which I need to research but…
I have another gig on Saturday, so I’m gonna opt for the less stressful option of using the venues’ WiFi key and if that is too busy, I can tether it on a mobile phone hot spot, which also tests out ok. Just very expensive data usage if one’s not opted for an unlimited mobile data contract.
Ah. A lot of musos, like myself, dabble with Roland Cloud and then bin it as it is the least well behaved software I have ever come across. Which is such a shame.
Running WiFi at a gig is asking for problems. I NEVER use WiFi for anything while gigging. I think many on this forum would say the same. If you are running off a cloud service while gigging, you are adding a lot of resources taking away from your gigging setup. There are many good vsts available not needing cloud service. The goal is to reduce anything adding multi tasking and stress on your processor.
I always rehearse with WiFi on. Have done for 18 months. Never experiemced an issue but can see ot becoming an issue as the laptop ages.
After this gig, I’ll look deeper into managing the Roland stuff off line.
Spentvtoo mych on the plugins to just ditch them.
It will save you a lot of headaches. Just to let you know, many vsts are wired to call home, and communicate, and even update while WiFi is on. That could also cause problems. You can thank Windows for all the intrusion we experience.
Agreed. WIFI off for gigs.
Thanks for all the advice.
Removed both Roland plugins and everything works perfectly off line.
It’s such a shame as I really like some of those Roland Cloud plugins, but Roland Cloud just do not play nicely with your system. They really need to sort this.
Arturia do a really good Jupiter 8 and Cherry Audio do a really good Jupiter 6, so all is not lost…
Am gutted as I wanted some of those sounds with me. It was rhe JV1080 that dragged me in. When I move to Cantabile, it was to lighten the load of too many instruments to carry and set up and my Roland was one of the units that had to go.
Such a shame they dropped the ball with this.
And not cheap to find out.
I love that JP6
Tal Audio also has three great Roland emulations, plus DIVA does Roland sounds really well.
Thanks, I’ll take a look.
I use the Roland plugins live with WiFi off with no issues at all. The biggest thing and I’ve bought it up with them (to deaf ears it seems) is that they do want to phone home every 30 days or so and if you don’t sign in periodically, they make a digital noise every few seconds.
The thing I bought up to Roland, is the cloud manager doesn’t nag when you need to sign in, so it’s only when you get to the songs with them in that you know… I get round this by having a state at the beginning of my set which brings up the Roland gui so I can see if it needs a sign in.
Other than that, WiFi firmly off for gigging.
(As a personal opinion, I don’t think the Arturia Roland emulations are even close to what the Roland plugins produce, not tried the Cherry audio ones but I really like the plugins of theirs that I do have…)
My 2c
P
Also here wifi is disabled for the “live” PC – in my setup the wifi card is “disabled” in the devices section 
and re-enabled manually only when an upgrade or similar is needed
I stopped my Roland Cloud subscription . I have “earned” four lifetime VST instruments, that I have taken. And last week I found they were not working anymore and I cannot get them going again without updating Roland Cloud it seems. That really sucks.
Whereas my Korg VSTs just work.
I would never buy hardware thst I had to pay for, in perpetuity so bought two lifetime keys.
There’s another comment in this chain advising that their instruments seem to panic withoutva web connection and constantly try reach home and though I have no way of capturing evidence of this, I definitely felt some latency via my playing. Only very light but enough to be disconcerting.
Gonna ask for my money back.