Program Change, MSB Bank and LSB Bank

[Bladerunner]

Thanks! Get it worked (@Torsten)

I also get input from Brad to my topic.
After try and error: the settings for Yamaha Montage works are as following:

Under settings “Formatting”
Program Numbers = One Based
Program Banks = Bank and Program Combined
RPN Numbers = Zero Padded

Input in under bindings:
Action = Program Change Banked

Value >>> this was first confusing me, CAUSE
The input values for a Yamaha Montage Performance e.g. 063.001.110 (value input field),
causes directly after input and enter a different shown number in Performer!
It results in e.g. 1048580 shown in the value field.

BUT…main thing: it works in order to save/store and recall on that way the defined performances of the Montage

[Torsten]

@Bladerunner

Value >>> this was first confusing me, CAUSE
The input values for a Yamaha Montage Performance e.g. 063.001.110 (value input field),
causes directly after input and enter a different shown number in Performer!
It results in e.g. 1048580 shown in the value field.

This is because you have set your Formatting preferences to “Program Banks = Bank and Program Combined”. If you set it to "Program Banks = “MSB, LSB separate”, it will display as 63.1.110.

BTW: you don’t need to use leading zeroes when entering the values: 063.001.110 isn’t needed - Cantabile will understand 63.1.110 just as well, independent of formatting settings.

Cheers,

Torsten

[Torsten]

@brad

For these values, it’s hard coded to , for value separator and . for bank separator.

I don’t think so - look here:

Value separator is “;” on my system.

And this makes sense for floating point values; on a German system, commas are used for decimals:

So Cantabile is smarter than its creator thinks

Cheers,

Torsten

[brad]

@Torsten

So Cantabile is smarter than its creator thinks

Wouldn’t be hard nor the first time.

[Bladerunner]

Hello together, I hope your all fine in this strange times.

Sorry, that I come back with this very old topic.
Reasons: I switched very late to the current version of CP with the graphical routings after I had to build up my pc system completely new. I made a big mistake in backup the old PC by not saving the old settings of my last Cantabile version; I saved only the racks and songs .
So I start now on some topics from the scratch with Cantabile. The good thing is: the most songs/racks, where only VSTi were included, needed only some new routings to use them further.

Where I struggle are the program changes for my Yamaha Montage. All songs/racks I made in the past don’t work. E.g. all in the past saved banked program numbers within bindings per rack state are empty now then loading in the “new” Cantabile version. I’m not sure, but I guess, that the routing concept of CP changed.

I tried so far many things/routings in build up new songs/racks in order to send program changes from CP to the Montage and I’m not successful. I tried already the changes in MSB/LSB settings, which were named here in the past and tried several combinations.
The first thing, what I recognized: in the bindings settings “target” I don’t find my Montage. I find only “Output Port - Rack: Midi Out”. In the CP settings for “Midi Ports” I have already all Montage Midi In and Out combinations (as in the past).

It would be great, If you/somebody could tell me, how to setup a rack/song with program changes for several performances sending to my Montage.

[Corky]

There are several threads referring to Montage. I found this one, and hopefully it will help you. Just type “montage” in the search engine, and many threads will be at your disposal.

Convert CC92 Value 0, 16, 32, 48 To different CC-Numbers

OK, here we go. I note the question was to produce different CCs, but the intent is to be able to switch states, so I did that by mapping the CC to program changes which is easy in Cantabile by using a filter. so hopefully this will achieve the “what” of what you want to do, if not the “how” of what you thinking of doing to achieve it. This is what I did for playing Echoes in Welsh Floyd. I was switching rack states of my Hammond Rack, not song states, but the principle is the …

I don’t have Montage, but hope this might help you.

[Bladerunner]

Hi @Corky,

thanks a lot for this solution. This is a complete different workflow.
Meanwhile I found a Arcronis fullback up file, where I could reload the Cantabile settings files.
I copied them into the new Windows 10 20H2 installation (different folder structures as before!) and it works
I can change again the performances within my Montage via CP by the here discussed workflow very easy.